Jack Stafford PODSONGS

The ripple effect is playing out

Raising consciousness

Connecting to the source of life

With greater confidence
 

And still you try try try
 

 

Metamorph into alignment

By tapping into tools

Mirroring and taking on

As you journey through the rules
 

Love and forgiveness both come first

In everything you do

Saying your sorry and ask forgiveness

And they you say thank you

 

And still you try try try
 

 

Jack: Hello and welcome to pod songs where we interview inspirational people in service to others as inspiration for a new song Today, my guest and co-host is the Indian Rock Singer Uday Egal of Indiscreet, and his guest is the Telepathic Animal Communicator Manje Latte.

Uday: Hi there, Jack.

Jack: Hey Uday. How you doing? Good, how are you? 

Uday: I'm great mate. So what's the agenda for today? 

Jack: Telepathic animal communication. Ah, indeed. Yeah. This is gonna be fun. It's just, the title alone is gonna bring people in. 

Uday: Oh, really? Yeah, I guess it would. 

Jack: Sure. Yeah. Rock singer. Rock singer Interviews telepathic animal communicator.

That's interesting. 

Uday: Yeah. Yeah. I I hope it's interesting. It's an interesting title. Let's hope the show is interesting itself. The conversation. Yeah. Yeah. It should be, I'm sure. I'm sure Ri has very interesting things to say. Yeah. Let's see. How 

Jack: unfold, where are you? Where you in Mumbai or I'm 

Uday: in Go, I'm in Goa where I live.

I don't, yeah. I don't live in Bombay anymore. Bombay anymore. So I try to limit my my, my time there as much as I can. Just become, it's a crazy city that's gone. It's a downward spiral that looks impossible to reverse, basically, 

Jack: really. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine the air is a lot fresher.

I've never been to Goa, but 

Uday: Goa's a lovely place, but it's a, it's incredible. It's pretty interesting how in the last few years, in this post pandemic world or this post pandemic country, at least it's in the last year or year and a half, it's as of people have been trying to make up for lost time and in Goa the amount of construction that has been taking place, which means constructions, means destruction, actually.

Yeah. Because it's the cutting off insane number of trees and stuff like that. We've got water problems already, but there's such a myopia here in this country about all this stuff. The Prime Minister likes to his propaganda machine is fantastic. They're really very effective because they say a bunch of things.

He does exactly the opposite and no one seems to notice and over again, that's just the way things are, politics. Yeah. 

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And are you by the beach or are you, 

Uday: whereabouts are you? I'm close to the water. I'm not by I'm at a point where the main river of God's called Armando V so where the Mano empts or meets with the Arabian Sea is where my neighborhood is.

It's very lovely here. And yeah, it's, but like I said, it is very lovely, but it's going. Every week I can see, I don't like to use word use words like development, because that's a positive word. Yeah. Yeah. Everything connected to the word development now is is a terrible thing.

Unfortunately. 

Jack: I think it's like every, everyone who goes to a place like Goa or Bali, in the early days you just, you're gonna be more and more disappointed every year because the thing you came for is destroyed by the people who come after you. Absolutely. Yeah. And you are part of the problem because you are coming there as well.

You are telling people I'm here. Yeah. And yeah, you're such a cool guy. And everyone wants to go there as well. And yeah. So eventually there'll just be this, we'll be gathered around this one tree 

Uday: ab exactly. 

Jack: But you winning, sorry, but you've just been on a retreat to get back to nature. Yeah.

You've just come back from 

Uday: this retreat. That was when we last spoke. I had just returned at that time. Okay. Like a few weeks ago. So yes, I was freshly back from that. Freshly pumped freshly that 

Jack: sounded amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I looked at some videos online that looked really cool. Yeah. 

Uday: But the thing's always, it's always a tricky thing coming back into mainstream human society.

Yeah. That's always the challenge. 

Jack: Yeah. And did it work? Can you talk to the animals now? Can you 

Uday: The thing is the tele honestly, I've. Even when I did the first animal communication course with Manjari, which was last year, and that was only on Zoom, and I was a little skeptical first before doing it.

Not skeptical about the course itself, but whether, how effective it would be doing it on something like Zoom. And it was fantastic. And that's really where it began. While I'm doing the animal communication course, and of course I try to employ it with, say, for example the six I'm learning to get away from words like Stray and Street.

Somebody suggested free living dogs. Cause there's nothing stray about them. They, they know exactly where they're going and where they are. They haven't gone as stray, but there are six who live outside my building and in the street outside. And I meet them every, almost every day.

I give them breakfast in the morning and I play with them and. They allow me to rub their bellies, which is very therapeutic for me. And in the course of that, I met a couple of pups in house next door, and I'm both of whom I fostered. So I've been trying to employ it with them in a telepathic sense.

Yes. It does seem to work sometimes because I will say that for example, there's one particular dog that I have a very close connection with. One of the dogs outside who I call chickpea. And I've tried a few times. There are times when I wouldn't necessarily be looking at her. She's not looking at me and I send a little message about something either to come to me or something like that.

And it often works. Most of the time it does. She's also a very free-spirited dog, so she does her own thing. Yeah. But yeah, I see it working. I see it in com. It's not like I'm actively necessarily having two-way conversations with the animals. The truth is, I did the course and I did the advanced course, which is the more recent thing as well, which was part animal communication and a lot more general, much wider consciousness.

I got into it because of consciousness and wanting to expand my consciousness. So yes, through telepathy, communicating with animals that may be of maybe in need or may do with my help or something. Usually it's me who needs their help. I've focus more and more I do try and using that, but really for me it's more about just being in tune with the world in general.

All beings, all creatures. And going beyond creatures, what we went through with in the recent course, the advanced course was you can communicate with your finances, you can communicate with parts of your body, you can communicate with anything. Anything, because everything is consciousness.

Finally, everything is finally part of the big fabric of consciousness, wow. What we see as, what we see as solid material things is really just, and this is where science supports it all, it's all electromagnetic frequency. Finally, that's has different density. So what we think as solid as is like the stable is just, I guess electrons or atoms or whatever it is, vibrating at different speeds and frequencies, which gives the impression of solidity and of course makes it then impenetrable or partly penetrable or something like that.

The deeper one goes into it, at least in terms of an understanding. Conceptually it makes a lot of sense applying it to one's day-to-day life in a material world, of which I'm very much part of a material world. That's the hard part, and that's part of the journey for me. 

Jack: Yeah.

Yeah. Ah, so you did the VAPA courses as well and you started to ban the whirl cs, which is a really 

Uday: did he, did you catch the word Kalis? Not too many people have co You've done so you've done the passion. I have, yeah. Yeah, you have, yeah. Done a few times. So it's interesting how people who've done Wipa have not very few that I well known.

I know, caught the word and I got it from the course itself. But it was funny. I, it's nice that it's nice to meet someone who did catch the word. 

Jack: Yeah. It's the smallest part of an anatomy or the Yeah. That's appearing and disappearing and 

Uday: That's right. Yeah. 

Jack: Yeah.

Yeah. But you've studied a lot. Also mange. She's does, you told me she does the whim H method, and she mentions like Rupert Shel Drake, and she's really, she seems to be emerging of the, like the western and the eastern mines. The science with the. With the philosophy of the east as well.

They did. I, yeah. Did I get that? Yeah, 

Uday: I think so. Yes. Absolutely. And I think that's really, eventually everything is about union. Yeah. Whether it's western, east, male and female, positive, negative, dark and light. Eventually that binary, the binary aspect of the world as we, we've learned, grown to experience it, which is what yoga is.

As she write from course yoga is yoga actually, yo, which is, which I learned from Alan Watts, who is probably one of my favorite philosophers, is also tied, is also connected to the word yoke. The yoke on, say for example horse guard, the word yoke stems from yoke from yoga, which really is about bringing together, it's about union of I guess all of this really is about is about union and I guess so is ethere because it's union with extraterrestrial beings as well. It's about finally making that understanding that one consciousness. Yeah. 

Jack: Yeah. Yoga means union with God, I think is a Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Brilliant. I'm super excited, but I've been listening to all your music as well.

You you were quite the old rockstar there back in the day with your long hair and your 

Uday: Oh yeah. You seen all those videos, you've done your research. Yeah. Yeah. It was funny for me to see, oh, I don't look at them, but when someone sees videos say, Hey man, that's you. It's always funny to look at that and say, yeah, that was me one time, but you were there was me.

Jack: Was me. Yeah. You were the Indian equivalent of you're a big name. The kind of rockstar 

Uday: We, yeah. Things fell into place, let's put it. Yeah. We were really just a bunch of Schmucks from Bombay who wanted to play rock and roll at a time would've made absolutely no sense to do it.

But sense and rock and roll don't necessarily meet very often. So we do it for the love of it. And things fell into place, things aligned serendipitously for us. We like to, why we would love to ascribe it to all our hard work. That's not necessarily the case. Hard work goes into it.

But there's plenty of people who've worked a lot harder than me who haven't been lucky enough or fortunate enough to have the same a assignments, yeah. So I look at that with amusement. It's, yeah. Did all that stuff and it's fun, but can't take it seriously. No, 

Jack: but you mean you started with rock machine and there were many Band India band started as cover bands at that time, I think.

I read and it was but no perfect recreations. It sounded exactly like not just any cover band, but better than any cover band I've heard. 

Uday: Oh, really? Thank you. Yeah. We rehearsed a lot. That was our work ethic definitely involved rehearsing a lot because we just felt that when we get up on stage, especially at that time, there would pretty much every band in India, the bands who were all cover bands would get on stage and then there'd be a lot of chit chat would between band members about what to play next and a lot of time wasting and things. And we didn't care for that. We liked to run a set and start to finish and know which song segued into the next one and where there would be a break for an announcement and things like that. So when the segment of choreography, it was also the eighties. It was those the big hair glam rock bears and the choreographed GI guitar players movie.

Yeah. It's really 

Jack: funny. Yeah, it's funny looking back. Yeah. But that too, instead fun, that all that practicing paid off because when you start to do your own songs and you really had the chops. You could, you had the discipline, you had done the 10,000 hours or whatever, and you, and that really shows off.

Uday: Yeah, yeah, I suppose it did. We've always worked with the idea that this is something we love to do. So it's in our own interest to do it as well as we possibly can because I've, every time there was a, I wouldn't say bad gig, but gigs where I made mistakes.

I've learned to forgive myself for the minor infractions, but I get off stage kicking myself. I could have done that better kind of thing. So we were pretty, pretty married to the idea that the less you have to think about it on stage, the more you would play music with truth, you feel it as much rather than calculate your way through a set and you have a better time, you get off stage feeling good about what you did and the sh and the show you had. And if you do it, if you have, if you are having a good time, then there's a very strong chance that's gonna translate to the audience that's in front of you and.

And they'll feel it. Yeah. 

Jack: You still see that in the videos? Sorry. That in the videos. There's so much energy there. The crowds, huge stadium gigs it looks like. Amazing. Yeah. It was fun. Yeah. And then you worked with Tim Palmer, the producer on your last That's right. 

Uday: Yeah. Big name.

Yeah. That was, yeah, that was a great experience. Yeah, that was a really wonderful experience. We never even met them Tim, in fact a keyboard player Zen met Tim for the first time. Was it this year or late last year? Early this year. When he'd gone to Austin to, he was on, he was traveling through the US and went to Austin where we have, where he has a friend met up with him.

But un until then, from 10 years ago, it was all done just via email and ah, and server. 

Jack: Ah, because you lived in New York for a while. I know you were 

Uday: over there. I did live in New York for a while, but I was back. I was well back before we even heard of Tim Palmer. Ah, the funny thing is when we recorded the album the album evolved and we were wondering about who to get to mix the album.

What led us to Tim really was an album that we were pretty much in love with the sound of the album, particularly we loved the songs as well. A British progressive brand, progressive rock band called Porcupine and Tree, and an album call him Absentia and in Absentia was probably was or not, probably was definitely our favorite sounding album at the time.

Just in terms of the mix and the dynamics and everything about it. So what we thought to ourselves was let's research and see who's, let's find out who's mixed this mix the album and I saw the name. Okay. Tim Palmer. Okay. Who's Tim Palmer Went on online, went to Wikipedia, and it was like, oh.

Oh, really? Pearl Jam, 10 Osborn, mark Malcolm got good taste. Yeah. Now this became, this actually became the thing that drove us to it even further. He also mixed, didn't just mix. I think he produced or co-produced the album RA Raul and the Kings of Spain by Tales for Fears.

And that at that time when Raul and the Kings of Spain was was released, was my favorite sounding album of the time. So I said, okay, there's two albums that in their own in their own periods. And those epoch were the albums that spoke to me the most in terms of sonic integrity and just beauty.

So I said, this is the guy we gotta work with. And that's when we decided to reach out to Tim because I was actually reluctant to it. And I said, oh, this guy's too big, it's gonna be too expensive. And keyboard player zin said you know what's free email? Send him a message. I said that. I said, that's true.

So I emailed Tim and told him about us and how much we really want to work with him, but we're like a indie band from India. We may have a bunch of headlines to our name, but, rock and roll in India is still singing in English to a very limited audience, so there's, there isn't that kind of money.

We don't have the kind of money that rock and roll stars in the west have not by a long shot. And he replied the same day. He was really prompt. He got back and he said, I just went online. I saw some of your stuff. I like you. I really like what you guys are about. So send me some of your rough mixes and we'll take it from there of the newer material.

So we uploaded a few rough mixes of what we've done. And he said, I like it very much. We decided he gave us it was, we were still stretching ourselves in terms of the cost of it, but I'm sure he was he had dropped his rate quite a bit. Okay. As he said, as he explained to us, he said it was he's saying these are not the days of the big LA recordings that he had been, that he spent most, many of his years doing.

He saying it would've been a different scenario then by then he'd moved to Austin, set up his own mixed room, and so he was able to work much more flexibly with us. And that was it. He said so we sent him, the only thing we did physically was we sent him the the sessions, the proto sessions via courier.

Okay. Theier them to him because they was just too big to upload to any servers. And that was it. He would mix a track and upload to his server. We downloaded, listened to it, and that's how he worked and it was incredible. Yeah, it was incredible. Loved everything that he did. Just loved him. He loved the way he works.

Jack: Yeah. You do manifest these things. I heard about how you got in the band in the first place. You just, you went to see the gig and you were, shall I, if this band asked me to be the lead singer, would I accept, which is that's really manifesting. And 

Uday: as well, I learned 30 years later that it's called Manifesting.

I didn't know at the time. At the time it was just a kid who went to see Rock, this band called Rock Machine and didn't know anybody in the band. And suddenly fantasizing, what have they asked me to sing for this band? And comparing it with another band as well, doing an ab there was another better, better known band in Bombay at the time called Crosswinds.

And yeah, that was my little post gig fantasy as I was walking out, didn't know anybody, but still thinking to myself, if Crosswinds were to ask me to join them as a singer, and if Rock Machine were to ask me to join them as a singer, who would I opt for? And crosswinds slick, really together.

Tight band, established rock machine, raw, little loose, but the energy. And I was like, okay. It wouldn't be the wisest thing to do, but I'd go with the newbie band rock machine because there was the energy that really that really resonated for me. And yeah, a few weeks later I bumped into the guitar player while I was showing somebody else.

A friend of mine had asked me to guide this kid in college as a kid. He was the same age as me who was taking part in the singing competition, I wanted to say. And was gonna be singing time, the song time, by Ping Floyd in the contest. And so Patrick, my friend, who was going to accompany this guy, said, just show him how to sing it because he's not getting it right.

And I said, okay, fine. I sang it for the guy. And then next thing I see this, somebody else sitting around there was a guitar player, a rock machine. He said, Hey Matt, do you wanna try out for the band? And.

Sure. And that was it. That was it. That was that's when I joined the band. 

Jack: I was reading some of the comments on YouTube and people said that cuz Bollywood came up the same, it was in the eighties as well in the Rock. So it could have gone either way. You could have been even bigger now if it had, if the Indian music culture had tastes had changed, if it was more rock orientated, 

Uday: do you think?

Oh yeah. Bollywood was not really into the whole rock and roll thing at all. And there was also the language thing. So Bollywood really is India's, or film music, I would say, because Bollywood is really the Hindi language stuff. And then there's stuff in the south as well. Chennai previously knows Madras is also a big producer of of yeah.

Yeah. And they call it Hollywood. Long never end. I hear there's a as well somewhere. Oh. I think the name Bollywood itself is self perpetuating. It's a bit ironic. It is, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, film music in India is really the country's main form of pop music. So rock and roll would never be able to compete with that.

Never will be able to compete with that. The closest rock music has gotten to Bollywood itself is through a movie called Rock On which is about a rock band in big, playing to big stadiums and stuff like that with a very Bollywood plot. The plot is a bit cheesy and stuff, but as all Bollywood films are.

But it was the first time that rock music itself, and that's pretty recent. I don't know when Rock on was was produced and released, but isn't the last 15 years. Oh, okay. And but it was, yeah, last, within the last 15 years. And it was the first time that, that the Indian film audience really was exposed to a rock band on stage as the main thing because it was really about the characters who were all part of a rock band.

So there were many, all practically every song as against the usual Bollywood song routine, which would be boy and girl running around a tree or alongside a river or whatever it is. And some playback music happening. In this case, the difference was there was a band on stage singing and playing in the songs that were part of the movie, which is quite a diversion for Bollywood itself.

But that's the closest 

Jack: that's got the music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're in a foot there and a foot in either world. So I've seen you've done some interesting collaborations though on your own YouTube channel. You are mixing up, you're doing other things 

Uday: as well. I like to work with other people.

Honestly. I really love, I love working with other musicians. Just people have good, interesting ideas and it shakes it up from, it shakes me out of my patterns. Which is really important to me because I, and which is why I've always loved, so when we came, when we restarted industry, when I moved back from the US to India and we restarted industry there were only three of us left from the original band.

And we had the blessings of all the other guys, because a few of the other guys were in different parts of the world. One of the founding members still lives in Bombay, but he'd hung up his bass guitar at the time that we first shot shop and he said, that's it for me. I'm not doing this again.

And he said, but you guys go ahead and even bringing in the two young, so we're now in our forties and we get these two a bass player and drummer in the early twenties. And that was such a beautiful shot in the arm for us as well. Cause it wasn't just bringing in off young energy. It was a bring, bringing in off a whole new bunch of influences.

That weren't reference points for us because the stuff that these guys had grown up listening to was very different from the stuff that forget what we'd grown up listening to. But we weren't even listening to that stuff necessarily. At the time the drummer was really into a lot of metals, so my sugar and stuff like that, you periphery and the heavy stuff.

But they were bringing in these really beautiful ideas to to the band. So I've always loved that. I love working with people with new ideas, young or old, it doesn't matter, like different ideas. It makes life more interesting for me. 

Jack: Did you sing that song Fireflies from the last album? Yes.

Yes. Really? That's amazing. That's a such an English accent there. I really, that was no per well accent. Perfect. I mean you really, cuz some of the other songs have more of American, but this is really, you sounded like an Englishman English young English 

Uday: singer there. So here's the thing. Yes. We, starting out as a band, we were very much emulating.

I grew up on British and American Rock. My biggest my, my biggest influences were more British rock bands than American rock bands, but really both countries, the who was my biggest influence growing up really, and two towns and very specifically, but also led Zep and a whole bunch of others beat the Beatles, of course.

But the thing is, a media of instruction, which is in English, is British English. The English we learn in school, and the English we speak is British English. It's not American English. By the same token as a young band, rock band that's aspiring to be like a western rock band. I fell into that whole thing of saying can't and rolling my Rs and stuff like that.

And that's not the way I speak. Maybe it's getting on a little bit in years and stuff. So by the time we reach Evolve, I said, I'm gonna sing the way I speak. It's, my accent is going to be an extension of, or not an extension. It's going to be the accent I use when I speak, because that's what's natural to me.

And the pressure is on, I would say, post the album more recently, something I'd done for it was a collaboration, but it was a corporate thing and I was pretty much, I didn't say can't, I said can't, but my voice was ducked underneath and the can't was of the other singer, the backing singer was pushed through.

So there's it's a weird kind of pressure over here. People still seem to think that you should be pronouncing it that way for it to sound cooler. And I'm saying, no, just be yourself, man. That's it. If you say can't when you speak normally, why would you say can't? When you're singing?

Yeah. Say can't. It's okay. Yeah, I guess that's, Probably what I did with fireflies and the other songs and the albums. 

Jack: Just, yeah, that's an amazing performance. Really good. So thank you. Yeah, thanks. So I'm honored to be able to collaborate with you on a track inspired by animal communication. 

Uday: Me too.

Likewise. Yeah. I'm very happy to honor as 

Jack: well. Yeah. Yeah. I dunno what I'll leave, we'll see what she says. Do you have some ideas already or you just gonna 

Uday: go with I'm just gonna go with the flow. Really? Yeah. I wanna leave it to Manjari really, and I want her to do the talking. Yeah, sure.

I'm gonna ask her a bunch of things, but a few things. But it really is about what she's doing and in, when I first messaged her about this I, she was, she began with a certain reticence, but not a reticence to being a part of it, a reticence towards being the focus of it. And I think she's, that's where she's gonna come from.

I is my suspicion. Is which I respect very much, is that she says, look, this is, I don't want this to be about me because I'm only doing, I'm only following the work of a bunch of other people. And I said, yes, absolutely. You are an extension of the ancient wisdom and indigenous knowledge that we are all now drawing on.

And newbies like me are an extension of that via teachers like you. So we're all finally drawing from the same source from the same the same bunch of wells, but she's the teacher right now. So we'll talk about what she's doing and let her take us to wherever she feels is the right place to go in terms of wherever the subject is heading.

Jack: Okay. Yeah, she's, it's the way she combines the different things. So she pulls in the things that we, she thinks the students can benefit from. She's gone to all these different teachers and, yeah. So that she's doing a great service to others by. By being this catalyst and condensing it down because there's all the knowledge is there and it's, it's easy to say, yeah, we are all one.

And absolutely consciousness is everything, but you just repeat the truths in many different ways so that eventually we can break it down and understand it ourselves 

Uday: in a and in an experiential way, which is the most important thing. Because otherwise it's just information. It becomes knowledge when it's your experience.

Otherwise it's, you are repeating what you've read or you've heard you're only speaking truth when you've actually gone through the experience. So part, very much everything that she teaches is experiential and and it's, there's a multiplicity to it as well. It's not just one particular thing.

She's exploring so many different tools. So we've all got access. It's an introduction to the experience of using variety of tools. To explore consciousness far more deeply and far more expansively. That's the way I'm seeing it. That's the way I'm interpreting my experience through her workshops.

Yeah. I see people, I see someone like Manjari. She's just getting, she's getting on board. I see people like ri as incredibly valuable to the world today particularly. And the way it's, the way it's moving. Cause it's the river that's leading us to someplace. Really beautiful.

Jack: Great introduction, 

Uday: great segue. I can see you. We were just talking about you, RIE. Hello. Good evening. Good evening to you. 

Jack: How you doing? Thanks for 

Manjiri: joining us. Thank you, Jack. Thank you for having me. 

Jack: I've heard so much from Uday about your work, and that's why I'm really grateful that he's gonna, he's gonna chat to you and pull out all these gems of wisdom.

Condense it down into an hour. He's done a very long course, so I don't think we can cover everything, but yeah. I'm really pleased to hear you two in 

Uday: conversation. Will I preface the session? Angel I talk to Jack right now by explaining your initial reticence or your reluctance to be the focus of it all.

And but the thing is Yeah, absolutely. I'm with you. But that's what it all, that's what it all is, but yeah, we're all finally traveling down the river, but we need we need able captains of the ship to steer us down the river. So you're the captain of the ship. I've been sail on recently, 

Manjiri: and I've been happy to have you on board.

Uday: Okay, cool. Yeah, so Jack, should I start shooting questions to Gerrie or whatever? Please go ahead. Start the conversation. No I'm, okay. Let me start, I'll start with my perception of what's been happening. When I first heard about the animal communication course through my friend Smith, I was reluctant initially to do it because it was on Zoom and I was like, oh, something like this I would think should be in person until a few months later, I realized that doing it in person seems to be that possibility seems very somewhere between remote and not possible at all.

So let me go online and do it. And then of course, realizing that it's telepathic, so you don't really have to be there in person at all. But from the, apart from the stuff that you were teaching us and the methods, the methodology you were teaching us, I sensed a much Let's put it this way, I sense that this was an opening into a much larger arena of consciousness itself, which is really, what I won't say sucked mean.

It really drew me in very, in a very beautiful way. That's my perception. I'm gonna leave it to you. What is animal communication for you? What drew you to animal communication and and what is it to you? What is it for you? 

Manjiri: Wonderful. Thank you for that question there. I think if we just first break it down into even communication as a concept and communication itself is very redundant.

It's innate to every being whether has consciousness or so-called non-living with largely understood unconscious being, but we are able to communicate with everything, whether it's a set of keys and a pair of glasses to whether it's our own human body or an unborn child or another human in front of us.

So communication is innate. Whether we are aware of it or not, it's any way happening because no communication is also a form of communication. If I refrain from answering somebody, it's an answer in itself. When we understand that communication is a part and parcel of our being and operational being in.

The time and space that we are in, why not dwell further and understand its many layers and applications was what drove me. And with a backdrop of what is called NLP or new role linguistic programming, which has to do with predominantly human behavior. It was sp of events, whether it was my upbringing with parents of mountaineers and our interaction with outdoors very early to one of our dogs falling a and that're propelling me to seek cancers.

All that combined suddenly for me as well. Then similar lines as yourself. I wouldn't say I started as a skeptic. I was already if we may, for a positive of another word, say a believer or in acknowledgement that something like this existed. But I wasn't fully aware that it was a full-fledged body of work and awareness in itself.

And when one of our dogs who passed away handheld me into exploring this very niche, Aspect of communication, which had to do with telepathic awareness and working with animals. And honestly, it's a point of no return as you have experienced it yourself. You go down this rabbit hole and then you realize, ooh, there are so many other pathways.

And Right one leads to another and it just keeps getting better. So that's predominantly what led me to explore it 

Uday: myself. Can I jump in there to something you just said? You said your dog of yours who had passed away, had led pretty much held your hand to it. How, 

Manjiri: Happened? Yeah. So he had, so if I even go back in, in time I our first family dog was when I was less than a year old was when a dog was got home and she lived to be 18.

So she saw me literally into adulthood. Wow. And I don't know, a life without an animal around me. And it was so natural that you come back home and you have a wagging tail and a wet nose welcoming you at the door. And somebody who is, and. A non-judgmental awareness at home is something, there are all the two leggeds around you will judge you, but that four legged being is the one who is in complete acceptance when you come back home, irrespective of how crabby your day has been.

That's something one look forward to. When that dog passed away, one of our first dogs, we just knew that she had lived her life to be 18 and ripe. And she transitioned very peacefully. However, our second dog went through this cycle of a lot of physical suffering, which was why it led me to seek more answers.

And as humans we tend to carry a lot of guilt that could we have made better decisions? Was it something a lack of Right. Care that made him suffer. So there was a lot of guilt I carried for a while. And that was a point, way back in 2008 or nine when an aunt of mine guided me to.

A video of Anna Burton Bach from South Africa. And when I saw that video I said, Ooh. I mean something that was just in my mind that can we speak to an animal or, a lot of us, even when our loved ones pass away, we have a word with them in our mind saying, let's hope you are in a better place and you are, divide of any physical suffering.

Something that I had been doing anyway unknowingly, like most of us. But the minute I realized and learned that there is a whole body of work of this nature was when I said, you know what? I want to learn this and I don't want to outsource it to somebody, but we are born with this awareness. Why not explore it ourselves?

And that's why I say it was his. Passing away. That literally led me okay. Down this pathway. And one of the teachers that I started learning with, her name was Maya Kingaid in Arizona. And, we had those old dial up connections and I would log in late at night and do that. 

Uday: And that's, she's world renowned, right?

She's, she's. 

Manjiri: Absolutely. She's one of the yeah, biggie, one of the pioneers that actually she's working with the un, she's working with multiple, a lot of her students are doing PhDs and bringing this into mainstream. Wow. So Maya was very instrumental in making this very matter of fact. And there wasn't the, her beau, the beauty of her teaching was there was no structure and it was so natural.

And she said, oh, I'll jump in. And I remember thinking to myself, there's a dog who doesn't have a body. When I look at that old me and the same questions come up in workshops now I know. I think all of us go through that cycle of learning. So we are not doubting it, but I think our conditioned.

Socially conditioned minds make us question the authenticity or the ease with which it happens. Really. And that's where one of our last dogs literally said, now it's your time. Walk this path. And that's a one way street. 

Uday: Yeah. The way you describe it right now in terms of just jumping into it, that was my reaction when I was doing your course.

You were like, okay, let's just do it. Start to communicate, stop doubting yourself. And I was really, is it that simple? And so I'm sure I'm loving the experience. I'm loving everything that I'm learning from you. And of course we'll talk about the advanced workshop as well, because that goes well, that went well beyond animal communication, which I was thrilled about.

I love the animal communication part of all of it, of course. And then I'm in love with the animals for sure. But then it went even further. I love, but just in terms of the animal communication itself, I'm loving the experience that a lot of people respond when I talk about I'm doing an animal communication course.

Of course I'm fortunate to know a lot of people who've accepted the crazy aspect of myself, so they're not surprised about it. But there's always the larger number of skeptics who will either laugh or scoff or sneer. How would one explain it to them? How would one explain to somebody who is not already open to the idea of being able to telepathically communicate with an animal?

I'm not talking about a hardcore skeptic. I'm talking about somebody who's on the fence. Absolutely. How would you describe it? 

Manjiri: Even if we bring in the hardcore skeptics in this discussion, I think we are surrounded by them anyway, whether they wear their hat on their sleeve or not, or they may not say it openly, but we have a lot of them around us.

So whether they're fan sitters or they are absolute skeptics or non-believers a few things that I realize over a period of time, and I went through my own learning cycle with this, the first thing I realized is we need to be respectful of their belief because everyone. Creates and carries a belief because it serves a purpose in their operational everyday life.

Probably life has been really hard and harsh on them, which is why skepticism is what keeps them going and alive, right? So first, being respectful. Second, what I realized was the more I went out to convince them, the more I actually convince them away from it. So I stopped convincing people. What I did do, and I continue to do, and I also encourage others to see if it works for them, is help these people see evidence of this phenomena in their everyday life, something that they're oblivious to.

Simple things like when they're making intuitive decisions while signing a document and a voice inside them says, you know what? Don't sign the document. Did you haven't read it fully. Or when they're making a commitment, they're making a payment or something in their mind tells them that, rather than feeding my dog, a.

Kind of food, let me feed them, be food just everyday evidence and it's anecdotal evidence in their lives. The minute you bring that to the forefront and just leave it at that they themselves will start realizing, Hey, you know what? The person is not forcing their view on me. I see evidence of this though, I may not come in out in the open and say overnight, I'm a believer.

Why not just start giving this thought? And frankly, what I realized with there was when you just leave them with these concepts and ideas, they start, you've given them a new perspective. And every day what was unconscious, they start consciously seeing and noticing the phenomena in their life. And before you ne know, they're already believers.

If somebody comes and says, you're who in the head or making a fool, lot of people say, oh, really good to know. Or tell me something. I don't know. I feel the pulse of the person in front and choose my responses accordingly. Sure. But sometimes I'd say, oh, I was unaware.

Good to know. Or literally as beaten as it may sound, tell me something I didn't know. And I believe it as well, or I didn't think I would get caught. I've. Played it, played with somebody and said, yeah, I didn't know I would get caught, or that you would realize I'm making a fool.

Lot of people. All marketing today is waking hypnosis anyway. So whether it is this or whether it is unknown things that are happening I think a lot of people join workshops now more than ever before, who openly say, we're skeptical and say wonderful, because what I realized was believers probably don't come up with qualitative questions.

Skeptics actually ask really qualitative questions, and they actually, from that space of skepticism to the crux of what this is as a science, as a way of living. So honestly, the least we convince them, the more we are convincing them towards it. So if 

Uday: that answers the question, I get it. Yeah. No ab absolutely.

And I get what you mean about the skepticism part of it also, because, I'm almost thought that I was born a cynic, a cynical optimist, is how I saw myself. And there will always be that part of me that questions even now. But it's I will say that for me the challenge is between and that's where the gray area takes place for me, is between questioning and doubting.

There's a real fine line between asking question and seeking maybe a validation or some kind of a, some kind of a cogent response to a con confusion or a doubt, or actually doubting something. And I would, I'll say that in the first course, the basic course that I did with you, the basic animal communication course, just the fact that you brought in something as simple as ask the question to the animal and trust the answer that you receive.

Every time you doubt yourself, you are creating an obstruction. That itself is a huge step forward, I would think, for anybody. Removal of doubt, it seems to be the thing that holds back to human race more than anything else. It's what's corralling us into this, in this very limited existence is we've convinced ourselves that this is what life is.

We unwilling to accept that there is so much more beyond that. And that's what I seem to be getting from first, your first animal communication course as well as the advance. But what I've also found interesting was the reading material you sent out after the first course, after the basic course, and with books by Rupert Shere, of course.

And who's a gentleman who wrote Bi Biology of Belief Bill. Dr. Bruce Lipton, Bruce Lip, stuff like that. That goes well beyond, it's not, that's not woo vu. I embrace my woo on the one hand, of course. But these are pretty serious dudes with very strong analytical minds.

Absolutely. 

Manjiri: Yeah. Absolutely. If I may just add caveat here, where I have realized, and I think probably Jack would also see a different perspective to this. So there, culturally people respond differently to content and it's a cultural consciousness that also makes us either question the authenticity of something or we come as believers, even trusting ourself as blatantly racial as this may sound.

But I think in a country like India with our own past that we've had as complex as it is and our population and the cultural complexities that come with it, I think each one doubts. The other, the capabilities and doubting oneself is a natural outcome of it. Everybody makes a decision.

Think about it in the western world, a child is 18. He is, he's encouraged to leave home, go figure his own life out. And if he makes some decisions, he has to own up to those decisions saying, no, you made bad decisions. You pull your socks up, you learn and you gut it out. On the other hand, in a country like ours, like India, you are sheltered for whatever reason.

Yeah. You are sheltered till the very end. And very rarely are we made to realize that we have the potential doubt is such a deeply ingrained aspect of our culture. So even when we have people logging in from different parts of the world, they respond culturally very differently to the same statements and content discussed.

And this, the minute I know that the entire group in a workshop comes from Indian roots born and brought up here, I know what to lay most stress on, which is trust yourself fully, let go as the doubting mind to take a backseat. Versus if I have a half and half group half that is logging in from say, Europe or the Americas, I wouldn't lay so much stress on it because trusting themselves probably comes a little more easier to them than our cultural context.

Okay. It's just one something that I observed. Yeah. 

Uday: That's interesting. What about the divisions in say I will say this as somebody who's a very westernized Indian that's who I am. I grew up in Bombay to raised by very westernized parents. Jack was, Jack and I were chatting, Jack was commenting on my English accent on one of the in discrete songs.

And it's all part of that South Bombay upbringing, so there's a lot of Westernization in my upbringing, but it's very much India in my genes and my blood and my surroundings as well. And there's all, but how do you see the division between, say, the Western analytical mind and the Indian the Indian who's already attuned to, I guess here's where it gets a little weird, I see India as, okay.

Here it gets to be more Hindu than any other religion because Hinduism contains so much of nature within, in, within the pantheon of gods and and figures to be revered, And yet we seem to have forgotten that if we can, if we have them as Gods, then clearly we should be treating them better in this country because we are particularly very bad.

Very, I would say we are terrible custodians of the natural world in India this period of our lives. Now the same time, culturally, are we more connected to animals than say, the western world, which has seen humans being superior to forms of nature. As, say someone like Alan Watts would describe it.

Manjiri: I had read a, an editorial in the Times of India many years back, about 20 odd years back, but I still find it relevant now, where the metaphor was a snake for India and culturally and religiously, where the snake has its head in the 21st century and the body dates back into prehistoric times.

And I think it is still relevant now because as a culture, as a respectful and aware we want to be of our veic scriptures and where nature was was revealed as God, our , which are our holy scriptures, contains so much information about just shamanic beliefs, where every element in nature was God.

We I think we are pulled where one part of our society does want to subscribe to. It wants to dwell deeper. And actually the western world has taken to it more than, Absolutely Indians ourselves, because I think our population is just busy, just Maslow's hierarchy of needs, putting food on the table and so many aspects of survival and security, I think a priority for an average Indian today running pillar to post in making ends meet rather than thinking of spiritual aspects.

Whereas probably people in the western world or those who have more westernized upbringing, I think we have privileged backgrounds where we don't have to probably worry as much as a lot of average people around us. So I think we have the privilege of really thinking about spirituality, thinking about what past our country has and exploring it.

But I think we, it's is the paradoxes in our country that make us so unique, probably because we are probably somebody sitting across the table from us may have a completely unique upbringing in the same city as ours, but it's probably these polarities that make a discussion qualitative and are respectful of the past we've had.

Yeah, that's, those are the first thoughts that come up to mind when you pose 

Uday: that question now. Okay. Now you've got something like, part of one of the many things that you teach as part of earth wise is nlp, neuro realistic new neurolinguistic programming, which is something, honestly, I've done a bit of research.

I'm finding it very hard to understand what it really is, because everything on YouTube seems to be some kind of vague, this is wonderful for you, but nobody tells, says exactly what it is. You could use en lightness.

Manjiri: So I will start with the same thing. It's wonderful for you and all of us as a science, but if we break it down into understanding what the phrase means.

So neuro implying brain linguistic as a common man's understands language, but it is both spoken and heard and programming implying that all behavior has a structure right now. If we really simplify this, Each of us has a unique set of linguistics we choose to use. Maybe there are repeated words we are using.

Our internal world operates a certain way, and that's what makes us so unique. Now, what N L P entails is as a behavioral science, very simply, let's take quick examples to make this easy. A lot of traditional approaches in psychology work with diagnosis, okay? So it says, okay, you have syndrome, or you have happening.

And a classic example I give for N L P is classic approaches in human behavior study the ill in curing the well, okay, so repeat that again. A lot of classes of classic approaches and human behavior study the ill in curing the well. Nlp on the other hand, studies the well on understanding what keeps them well so that there is no concept of ill right now.

For example there is one concept in NLP called role modeling, implying that if, for example, I really like the way you lead life or you make music, I need to understand under neurolinguistic and programming that your behavior has a structure, there's a recipe to your behavior. And the minute I understand the building blocks of what you're doing, I can duplicate it.

So something like an autobiography serves the same purpose, which is why we pick up autobiographies and say, I would, what's the react to richest story? The person started at the same level as I did. How did he or she get a better outcome than me? Or how can I reach the same outcomes? So N L P basically makes life manageable, easy.

Let's take one more way to simplify it. If a friend comes to us with a problem, we give them 10 different solutions. Why don't you do this? But when we are faced with the same problem, most often we are very dumbfound saying what do I do? But if the capability to give a solution to somebody else exists implies that the capability to give yourself the same solutions also exists within us.

But self-help is something that our brain hasn't really practiced. So it is basically focusing on ourselves, realizing all the resources we need to bring about change are already within us, and how to work with our own capabilities and making life simple. So there are multiple applications of N L P, but at the root of it, it is how you can make life simple, easy, manageable, and smooth sailing.

That's why it's a behavioral 

Uday: science. Okay. I'm curious about the linguistic part of it is because language has always been my favorite subject. So is it, is, are you, is there a. Is it a methodology of recalibrating the way you even speak outwardly as well as inwardly? 

Manjiri: Wonderful.

Absolutely. Yes. And if we from the linguistical perspective If, let's take English as an example now because that's the common language we are communicating in at the moment. At a very basic level, we've done this even during our animal communication workshops. We have five senses right now where each one out of the five senses.

The linguistics I'm using in less than one minute, you can gauge what sends the other one is operating from, right? For example if I'm using emoticons on WhatsApp and I'm using more action oriented emoticons, implying I'm a more kind aesthetic person, that means touch, feel a more important to me. So if I want to get through to this person and my linguistics are more kind, aesthetic and action oriented, I'm able to build better rapport with the person.

If I realize the person is more visual, where they're using more visual emoticons or they say, Hey, see I'd love to see you tomorrow, or can you picture this implant that the person is using of visual linguistics? And if I speak to the person in the language, his brain understands best, I'm able to get a foot in the door and have a better rapport with the individual and what we are helping.

People, whether they're in marketing, advertising, teaching, training, or even general communication is the more holistics, holistic our linguistics are. We are reaching all genre of people. A teacher in a classroom may be a very visual person herself, but if 70% of her class is more kind, aesthetic and auditory, she's losing, reaching to them completely.

But if she creates a script with awareness that incorporates linguistics from all senses, she has the children glued in understanding content and recreating it during exams and otherwise in life. So linguistics has multiple layers. There is hypnotic language. There is, there are what I call embedded commands If I want somebody to do something there are very subtle ways of using linguistics to get through an individual.

So linguistics plays a huge role over there in everyday life. Yeah. 

Uday: Okay. Slightly edgy word to use, but I don't mean it in the negative sense of it, but it is a way of manipulating a situation in a sense. 

Manjiri: I'm glad you asked the word manipulate. So the dictionary meaning of the word manipulate is the skillful use of hands.

Okay. And, ah, it, it came from actually the founders of N L P, the founders of N L P. There are two individuals who, there are multiple who contributed to N L P to becoming what it is, but there are two who gave it the classic structure. The one is Dr. John Grinder, and the other is Richard Bandler.

And the first book is called Structure of Magic because they realize magicians used skillful use of hands to create a magical effect for an observer. And even when somebody says, are you manipulating, you are manipulating somebody's. Awareness to get better outcomes, right? A doctor, one of the people that's instrumental in making nlp, what it is Dr.

Milton Erickson, who, by the way, his story is absolutely worth reading and understanding. So he was plagued with polio when he was just 17 years old. He got himself to be fully mobile and functionally active again, and went on to become the best hypnotherapist the world has ever seen. And wow. Somebody asked him this very question there, where are you manipulating?

And Dr. Milton Erickson's answers are something that reverberate in my mind till date. He says A doctor manipulates a joint when it is dislocated. A mother manipulates a child to get him to eat and be fed well. A spouse manipulates their partners so that they have a more meaningful relationship.

So manipulation unfortunately has a negative connotation in general understanding. But when you move something and meta and shift it for better aligned outcomes than it is manipulation, no doubt about it. Yeah. Yeah.

Uday: Got it. Okay. Interesting. So communication is your thing now, but, okay, animal communication.

Yes. On a telepathic level. Neuro linguistic programming, which is very much language. But now I wanna go to your, I'm, I'll reach out to my experience in your advanced course because I was I spoke to Jack shortly after that and I think he noticed a certain glow face, but I was definitely, yeah.

And no, I did come away. I honestly, I came away from that workshop very energized and very uplifted. I will also say that reintegrating back into regular society with every, with gen regular people is not easy after things like this. But that part now, what started out as animal communication, which was your first course of animal communication itself.

Now let's leapfrog to the advanced course at a large outside beautiful national park, the Khan National national Park in in Central India. But your course now has gone well beyond it's taken animal communication and gone well beyond that. Talk to us more about that. I'll tell you why, because this is, my mind was blown by the last time because it's pretty much kind of the direction I've been finding my cell phone, inadvertently.

I think part of it is deliberate, intentional, and a lot of it is seemingly unintentional. Clearly there's an intent behind that's putting me on this journey. But getting into huu territory we clearly, to me it seems very obvious that we're moving into a time of ascension on the planet, A time of evolution.

Let's not use words like ascension for fear of scaring away the the ones on the fence, just in terms of evolution and expansion. Now, you were tapping into so many tools to evolve and expand. Talk to us more about that and where you're coming from and what your intent is with all of this stuff.

Manjiri: In all honesty, about eight years back when we started our first advanced workshop to what it is today, it has meta mofos and it continues to meta each year. And I think it is only rightful for us to keep moving with the times. I think there are two parts to this. One, my awareness and experience as a facilitator and as a medium for the group is also shifting and changing.

And second, I think our needs as a society are shifting as variant is only then doing justice to our, whether we call it spiritual needs, whether we call it our emotional needs, whether we call it our souls needs. It is to feed all these needs is where the course content has been, constantly shifting and moving.

In the first few workshops that we started, I was, I realized that the need of the hour was, For us as a community, just to first understand that there is something as animal communication and we can dive deeper into it. With all subsequent years, I realize, okay the society that is signing up for these workshops, Somewhere already are believers and are really, going to the deep end of the pool.

So then we started saying, okay, where all can we apply? And honestly, u there what was happening was the kind of clients that came in every consultation led me one step deeper into what telepathic could do. For example, during a consultation I would have things like the consciousness of an apartment join into the conversation.

And the first time that happened, I was like, whoa, what just happened? The animal speaks about something very imbalanced in the house. Now when we are speaking about imbalance, it's not just the animal and the humans are inhabiting that space, but the space itself has its awareness and it's a no-brainer.

Actually, let's think about it. How did you ex 

Uday: walk into some, how did you experience that? What led you to that? That that realization? So 

Manjiri: specifically, I remember one of the chats I was having, this was back towards the end of 2009, early 2010, where in a conversation with a dog, the dog says, this house doesn't seem happy.

There's something in this house that seems really unhappy. And I remember sitting back in my chair with a live call, and that, that time there was no zoom, there was no WhatsApp. I was on a phone call and we used to do consultations on a phone call with the family, and remember sitting back and saying if the house is unhappy, how about talking to the house?

And Pat came the answer, and I asked, is this the house responding as a, sunk, we have a word which means a space or an entity by itself. And when I was mentioning earlier, it's largely a no-brainer. You walk into someone's house or you walk into a space and sometimes you feel really settled, warm, and welcomed, right?

And on the other hand, sometimes you walk into a space and it unnerves you. And there's something about that space where if you ask yourself, do I want to go back there? And instant answer is no. I would rather refrain from re-engaging with that space, and it is devoid of humans. So it's a space that has its own consciousness.

So I said, all right. First let me spend about six odd months in exploring doing this myself with clients, with cases. And when I realized it is as seamless as working with animals, I incorporated that in the next workshop that we had. Say, okay, now why not all of us explore it? Maybe another.

Participant on the workshop will probably take it further than where I have reached. They'll pick up and run with it in a different direction and find new aspects to it. So that's how it has been shape shifting content-wise. Yeah. To where it is now. Where we are working with plants, animals, nature, we are working with elements within our body.

And I think there's a reason why they even working with elements in our body became so imperative because for us to be hollow bones and do justice to being conduits between an animal and a human, I think as communicators we really need to first be respectful of our own bodies, respectful of our own internal Needs sorry, did I lose you guys for a moment or No?

Is you, is the connectivity okay? Because it just stalled for a moment. 

Uday: I'm hearing you clearly, sometimes the picture is a little jumpy, but I'm hearing you very clearly. Sorry. Know Jack's feeling Same. 

Manjiri: Is it patchy or It seems okay because I just, it's a bit, a little bit patchy, but 

Jack: okay.

Manjiri: Yeah. Does 

Uday: it sound, so the audio seems fine, just the visual is sometimes hang a little bit but the audio doesn't break. Super, 

Manjiri: super. So I was just mentioning that I think I realized that as communicators and being conduits, we need to be respectful of our own bodies. Just awareness of how the elements of nature inside are balanced or imbalanced.

And that's why that facet came in. And I continue to explore more modalities that can make us better humans. And so whether it's using pendulums for dowsing and ion, or whether it is harmonic wisdom to be explored. Anything that can get us as a group of people to not only raise our awareness, but raise the awareness of anybody that we are crossing path with.

I think that is how the content was developed into what it is currently. 

Uday: Okay, so what you were talking about earlier, I think everyone will connect to the idea of actually offer home having energy. I guess we've never thought of it as something we can speak to because anyone who's looking to either buy a home or to rent a place, most people will say, will respond to the energy of that, of their home.

I love the energy of this place, or I don't get a good vibe in this place, but we never think about it in terms of something that we can communicate, which that's fascinating. And that's what I was getting from the advanced course I was telling Jack earlier as well, that you spoke about communicating with one's finances.

I'm trying that with an investment of, it seems to be quite stagnant. I'm waiting for a response. Yeah. So how does it work? 

Manjiri: Nice. Yeah. If we just go back to very basic laws of physics that you can. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It's only changing form. And every time, maybe an investment was an idea in your mind, and idea is also an energy.

And then you channelize that energy into a physical investment. So it's only changing form. The idea was already birthed. Even when it's money, whether it is our body, whether it's a land or it may be a dream, a book. One is writing a song, one is writing. Could be absolutely anything. It's all energy that can be communicated with, and there is an interface that's happening.

Even stagnation can be a metaphor. So maybe if money is stagnant at that point of time, it is literally, we are a few questions away from asking that investment saying, Hey, I see you to be stagnant. Are you actually stagnant? Are you in hibernation? Because they can be very two different things.

When something is hibernating, it is waiting to come out better than before. We are seeing no movement as stagnation, but money as an energy could be hibernating, waiting for just the right time to bloom and, come out and become better. So just check with the question with that monitoring investment saying, are you stagnating or are you hibernating?

Or is there another option? That hasn't crossed my mind. And then just, I'd invite you to go through the typical questions that we do. Are you mirroring, are you taking on anything for me? Sometimes ude, especially with money related things, there is a huge 

Uday: Explain the three questions.

Yeah. Will you just explain questions 

Manjiri: for whoever working Absolutely as well? Yeah. What I realize over a period of time is that typically we see patterns in how phenomena is unfolding energetically. Whether it's a, it's an animal, whether it's a child in the house, whether it's a space or money.

Largely, we realize there are three parameters that it goes through. The first is what is called mirroring. So let's simplify it for an average audience as well. Let's take an animal. An animal actually acts as a mirror for a human. Simplifying it even further, let's say a human has a smudge on their face, the mirror merely is going to reflect the smudges as a, as an image.

Now, if we take a cloth and we are wiping the mirror, it's a pointless exercise because still the human doesn't make that change. The mirror is not going to reflect the change. So if an animal is classically mirroring for a human, he or she's only showing us an internal mirror of what's happening within us, either with health or behavior or our decision making capabilities.

And the minute the human makes the changes, the animal foregoes that behavior as well. So there can be a mirroring. The second probability we've realized as a pattern is what is called taking on. So let's continue the example with an animal itself. So it's easy for people to comprehend. Animals tend to act like little vacuum cleaners, so they will suck out of a human.

What they see is either with health or behavior, not serving a very positive purpose for the human. And because animals are largely earth and grounded they are like a earthing wire in a pluck point. What they will do is any energy surges in the human's body, they will try and earth and ground it.

So they take on. And classic examples of this are where a lot of people with cats will notice it, or dogs that are smaller breed dogs. People will notice it is cats will sit on the body where there are lymph nodes in the body. So in the arm pages under the neck or near the groin region where.

The immunity centers in the body are, so a cat may sit there and heal the human in that perspective. So there is a taking on. And the third probability is that the animal is neither mirroring, not taking on. It can be the animal's own journey by itself are the classic three examples. But if we go back to the reference of money and investment, the money as an energy can maybe be mirroring where there's a stagnation in human's life.

Person X, let's not say whether you, let's say person X, maybe there is stagnation, person X life and money as an investment is reflecting that. Or maybe it is taking on right now the role of hibernation and it can be on its own journey. So you can just ask these three questions, see where it's the combinations are, and then follow up with more probabilities to it and see where it leads 

Uday: you.

Okay. So correct me if I'm interpreting this correctly So the fact that I can communicate with, say, an investment that I have made, I'm able to communicate because that invest, that investment itself in a sense is alive because it is an extension of my original intent. Is that what it is?

Manjiri: Okay. Absolutely. Yes. And actu, you know how much ever we want to fragment it and say, it is my intent. Actually, it feeds into the greater intent of. Universal balance as well in some form or the other. And another way of simplifying it is there are a lot of people who only think about making money, but rarely think about giving back to society.

So whether it is charity or whether it is doing something for somebody until that monetary energy is not in movement or in rotation, it's not gonna come back to us. Yeah. So sometimes for some individuals money just stops as in it, it used to be a perennial stream and it starts drying up and then they realize, oh, I haven't done charity in a while, so the minute I do charity, there is an outflow of monetary energy.

And then the inflow comes cause you're creating space for more energy to come in. So it is not just an extension of our intention, but something that plugs into a greater good for more universal balance as well. If that makes sense. Yeah. 

Uday: Absolutely. Makes sense to me. So now I'm gonna dial back to the animal part of things.

Yeah. In the communications now referencing what you spoke about in terms of animals with the mirroring, taking on all their own karmic journeys or their own soul journeys or whatever it is, the fact that we've always seen as human beings, we've always seen animals as either annoyances or burdens or helpless creatures who are requiring of our beneficence or our health and magnanimity and I will come back to that that much hated word, the term that of yours, pet parent, where human beings, and I see it all the time, and now that you've, when you've brought up the issue of the pet parent, I can't see any post.

On Instagram or Facebook with somebody is made about an animal where they aren't referring to the animal as their child or as, and I know it's coming from a very beautiful place. It's coming from a deep sense of love, but there's a real patronizing aspect to it. And the way you've described it is animals being actually of a higher vibrationally nature than human beings.

And so therefore the roles are actually quite the opposite. Talk more about that. That kind of, that has really shifted a lot of things for me. I would say that for sure it's, I love animals so deeply, but now the way I see them is so very different. It's so very different. The love has deepened, but the respect has grown so 

Manjiri: much.

I'm glad you asked this question there. And I'd like to highlight the work of one gentleman by the name of Dr. David Hawkins and American psychiatrist and did a lot of work in what is called kinesiology and under N L P when I started exploring kinesiology or muscle testing. The simple things everything that we do in life is either life supporting or life harming.

Okay? For example, somebody says, do you wanna come for this party or this meal? And sometimes if it is life supporting, our body sways towards it. And if it is life harming, our body sways away from it. Now these are things where there is an emotional energy with that actor event that tells us at a very visceral level that, go towards it or go away from it, which is kinesiology in a simple way.

Now, Dr. David Hawkins studied human behavior and consciousness and went into the layers of consciousness in his entire lifetime. And in one of the charts that he made, which is called the levels of consciousness, which I'll use as a backdrop, just conversationally right now for us to understand man, animal perils specifically for a modern man are, in this chart of consciousness.

He has put in his observations something like guilt. Hate, anger, apathy really lower down in the chart. And something as neutrality somewhere, mid chart and something like love, forgiveness, unconditional love further up in a chart. Okay? And we are not saying something is better or greater than the other, but and maybe each of us has this emotional vocabulary as well.

We do have anger, we do have guilt. But what is paramount is how much time does an average human spend on this chart? So let's take a human and an animal. If you look at an average city dwelling human today, we spend most of our time being angry, upset, frustrated unhappy guilty. Our education system works on guilt tripping people all the time.

Parenting is about guilt tripping. So an average human spends a lot of time in the lower spectrum of emotions, which are life harming. And an animal, an average animal, whether in the wild or domesticated, is an epitome of unconditional love, forgiveness, and acceptance. So they are spending majority of their time further up in this vibrational chart, which is life supporting rather than life harming.

What then makes us, Feel that we are more evolved purely because I think we lose so much stress on intelligence and ability to speak out loud. And these are the yard sticks we're using to say we are more evolved than animals, but as vibration awareness. Absolutely. Airplanes are an interesting example.

Yes. And these are yard sticks that we have created for our own to caress our own ego, if I may say that. And animals on the other hand really don't care whether they're pretty or whether they're, you know how they look and a guest comes home and they will roll on their back and expose their entire underneath.

They only don't care. They're looking for their needs and what makes them happy. So even if we are just using this chart as a reference, we realize if we are that lower down in our vibrational awareness, And animals are up here. He's not just a dog. And it's not just a cat. It is a dog and a cat that needs the respect.

And if we may use a classic Indian word as they are probably the gurus in our life and we have to be worthy of having them in our life. So they are definitely not our children. Babying somebody. Gives us the pseudo sense of superiority. If I may put it that because it puts us in a controlling position that I make all the choices, but you're actually depriving that soul of its own independent life choices with a domesticated dog, we are choosing when they will poop and pee and when they'll go for a walk and what time they will eat and, sit down give paw.

That's an extremely high spiritually aligned being. It's not there in our lives to entertain us with give paw role, sit down. Other than all that which is more human ways of doing things, we can seek their guidance. To raise our own awareness and just be better human beings. Least of a burden on the planet, but more aligned and in one with the fabric around us.

Uday: Yeah. The fascinating thing is how, is, how sporting they are with all the games, with all the rolling over and jumping through hoops and everything. There's no complaint. So is the answer presence, is it about, because you spoke about that, that animals are always in the present moment. And that's something we, as human beings, we, we do, we go to courses and we do all kinds of things to bring ourselves into a state of presence while always battling this internal con chaos of uncontrollable thoughts.

Is the difference, is this the fundamental difference between animal and human being in the present moment or at all times? 

Manjiri: Undoubtedly, yes. And I think they are fully aware of their connection with the source energy. That means they are fully surrendered to why they are on this planet and they don't need to go to workshops to understand what is my purpose.

And they know their purpose and they're surrendered to what divinity within them ask them to be aware of. And when we say they're living in the present. A classic example is if you tell a dog you need to move homes. He will happily just walk. He doesn't need his toys, his bed, nothing his bowl.

He needs nothing. He will just pick himself up and move. And you tell a human, forget moving a house, you're going on a one day holiday. A human will pack this youth bit, fat bag with a gazillion things that he will never end up using, which means we are constantly dwelling either in the past or the probable future saying, I might need this for my holiday.

Get to the holiday and see what happens. Just bring your presence over there. Probably you won't need anything but just your awareness. And that is a major difference where one, I realize they are so aware of the connection with source energy and universal energy. And second, they are not defined by any of these materialistic things, which makes them live in the present more rather than live in the past, what was or dwell in what will be in the future.

So I think that defines just what their presence is for us. 

Uday: And we need to reevaluate our relationship or the way we see ourselves in comparison with the animal world in terms of intelligence and superiority or any of that stuff. But now, absolutely. So it's, but now this all goes beyond animal, community, animals and animal communication.

Who are, which are, which of course is integral to consciousness. It's all part of the same deal. But you are expanding well beyond that. You had we did the Wim Hoff method by the river, which was, even those, even the three cycles of breath that we did was, it was incredibly powerful. Is that what you mean by taking care of the conduit, the body in terms of oxygenating the body.

So it's bet it's a better instrument to be playing this role as communicator. 

Manjiri: Absolutely. In shamanism they use the word hollow bone. Meaning that you have to be so hollow that you are not deducting or adding anything of your own. And all traditional shamans are who practice as mediums made sure they were doing justice to being a connection between us to souls in, or whether a tree or an element in nature.

And the human, they were doing justice by being as hollow as they can. And when we speak about we are not different from it as city dwelling, modern people, we are also, it's very challenging, easier said than not to be in the present moment. And a lot of us are either in the past or the future to being here and now.

What does help is all tools and techniques that can help us first respect our body because we carry our body into every situation and interaction in life. And we are probably most beret of its abilities and capabilities of what the body. Has. So whether it's, even when I was in active athletics, I realized that breath work was something that was so paramount and PR AM or aura yogic practices, definitely the first thing is attention to breath.

And I realized whims methods for some of the most easy methods that one can do in everyday routine life. And you need about five or seven minutes to put yourself in the right frame of mind and energize yourself rightly whether it's whims methods or whether it was just hugging a tree, it's anything that gets us to be.

More in alignment or in touch with our own body and the better mediums center justice to what's flowing through us. And one need not be actively doing telepathy. You could be just an Uber driver for all you care, and you could be somebody cleaning homes and toilets, right? Each job has its own role, and somebody who's doing their job, if they're in full surrender they tend to enjoy, they tend to do a hundred percent justice to it.

And the person, somebody who's cleaning toilets, a person comes and uses it and says, you know what? Thank you for keeping it the way it is. You've made their day, but, and they put in a hundred percent. You as a receiver were aware of the way the toilet was and clean. And both people, I think the justice to the presence in that space.

So yeah, just anything that gets us more aware are tools and techniques that we don't have. 

Uday: What's your goal? I'm seeing are you I will, I wanna step in here just for, just say for very briefly that I think you're an incredible teacher. Remarkable teacher. No, seriously.

Yeah. I've been through the Indian school system where, I had very nice people as teachers. I didn't really learn very much. I won't blame the teachers. I will not blame the teachers at all. I'll take on the responsibility of that. Of course, it was a very boring curriculum as well. But I've, over the years, good teachers really stand out.

Very tall. You teach incredibly well. So clearly you are coming from a very honest and clean space. But your teaching is very expensive. So we've got the moff method. Apart from the animal communication via tele telepathy, we've got the Moff method, divination using, we were using stones pendulum, dowsing remote viewing.

Searching for a power animal. It's quite a wide pallet of activities. How do you see these all coalescing? What is your, where do you see it le leading to? What is your intention with this? 

Manjiri: I think if I may use the word greedy here, in all honesty, I think I'm just greedy that we as a species, if we are going to increase our vibrational awareness, even micro milli in, in whatever we are doing, again the list that you narrated right now, that's exhaustive as it may be.

Not every participant who comes on the workshop takes all that back. Each one is on their own journey. And out of the 10 things that are laid out in the buffet of. Engagements and experiences. Somebody realizes that their plate can only accommodate two modalities, and that's all that they're helping themselves to.

Somebody else has a bigger spiritual appetite, and the soul needs to feed itself more. So they may take five things out of the 10 that are laid out. So each one takes what they're needing, but whether they take two or they take five, or they take all 10 things that are laid out in the buffet, I think each one is making themselves a better human.

And as a ripple effect, if one person, just basic, again, physics one molecules, vibrational awareness changes, all the molecules in the periphery are going to change. So one human in a family a company, a group of friends comes with a more aware awareness, I think as a ripple effect, whether they're aware of it or not, they are going to affect that set of people and it's going to move on and on.

They can't put their finger on what did this person do that's making me feel better, but I think my greedy. Outcome and intent always is that we are able to have more meaningful engagements with people. A vibe will attract our tribe. And other than spending time and energy in discussing things that are not life supporting, we are able to have more qualitative discussions and just become better people for this planet.

I think that's a very vested interest I would have in curating these 

Uday: workshops. I'd say amen to that. Better people is what we need and better people. What we need to become really is what we need to become. Yeah. Yeah. I think that pretty much grabs it. And you got a psychic mediumship workshop coming up, which has got my antenna, sorry, swinging wide.

I've been in, I've been in touch with vie already about it. Wonderful. 

Manjiri: Yeah. Yeah. That's another entire body of work by itself. Just working with the spirit world and doing ORIC scans for people's bodies. Health awareness. Sky is the limit. Yeah. 

Uday: Ultimate better humans and make a better word.

Manjiri: Absolutely. Just raise our consciousness and awareness as a community. That's it. 

Uday: Yeah. Fantastic. I have to say Manjari, I'm so happy to have, firstly done the first course and then continuing to do more to learn more from you. I really am. I'm very happy to have met you and I'm really so thrilled to be learning so much from you.

Manjiri: Thank you for making this effort and finding me worthy of this time and effort that you gentlemen are putting in. And if I can be the voice of, I was just mentioning to the even earlier Jack, that there are so many people who work with native wisdom that probably don't have these platforms to bring their wisdom too.

So if we can be little flag bearers of their wisdom and do justice to them, then that's the least we can do for them as well. So thank you for doing this to both of you. 

Uday: I'll have to, I have to acknowledge Jack's patience. Jack has been has been messaging me for over a year now, reminding me that maybe we can still do this.

Are you free? Can you still do this? And I did not want to be difficult. I'm not somebody who doesn't, who takes a long time to respond. But I was going through my own whatever life's, whatever, turmoil, 

Jack: nobody, he had such high standards for a guest. He said, I want somebody that re who nobody's inspired me yet, who really inspires me.

And then he went on your course, and then he said, okay, 

Uday: our founder. But this is actually true. I couldn't think of anyone. I couldn't think of anyone before that, man. So I'm really so happy to be doing this. Thank you, Jack. 

Manjiri: Thank you. Pleasure. Thank you for this privilege. Thank you very much. All the best to you guys.

Jack: Thank you. We'll send you the song as soon as it's ready. We'll, 

Manjiri: I'm excited. Thank you. Have a nice evening. You too. Bye. 

Uday: Bye, Jack. We will chat soon. 

Jack: That was super inspiring. Thanks so much for that. It was really thanks for, bringing her without her, without your bring. You're bringing her to so many more people now.

We'll hear about her and and her work and the strange that she's joining us. Great questions as well. You really did a great job interviewing. Thank you. 

Uday: Thank you. But did you find what she said? Interesting. I find I did. Yeah. 

Jack: So fascinating. I was interested to know, I forgot to ask what the what does she cuz with for the Indian mind?

She emphasizes be self-trust. I wonder what she emphasizes for the Westerners. It'd be good to know. I didn't collective flaw we have as a as the Western hemisphere. 

Uday: I don't know her point of view, of course, but I think individualism is being looked at as not necessarily a good thing.

I think the great pioneering spirit of the western world has been fantastic in terms of exploring and. Boldly going where no man has gone before, so to speak. But I think individualism is also led to a very fragmented world. I think that's being called into question a lot now. Especially in a world that's evolving into what's referred to as collective consciousness. But I go back to Alan Walks again. I think I quote Alan Walks a few too many times as being the one consciousness. And so the, we are only individual expressions of the one consciousness, so fine, we go on a separate journeys.

I think that seems to be the one, the thing that's being called into quest, into into focus these days is the difference between community living, which has become a bit of a hypocritical thing in the eastern world now. Family is not what it used to be. There's plenty of infighting in families all the time.

And western individualism, which is really a scattering of of energies where everyone's only thinking of the individual self rather than the collective group, so maybe that's the thing we all have, I honestly, what she said, what I found very interesting, what she said was about how the Western brought so much back to India and brought so much back to us.

I will say I have taken, I have learned so much about Indian philosophy via my Western westernization. I've got so much from the western world bringing me back to my Indian roots. The roots that I ignored are looked away from for so many years. So I think there is a coming together already, the western world is bringing back to the east so much of what the east exported to the west, but that the east has forgotten because the east has been so keen on becoming Western.

Yeah. 

Jack: I remember when I was in India, I was, it struck me that the east is copying the worst parts of the west. You were bemoaning the government there and the In the development and this group. But we also have a lot of good qualities in the West, which you could golf as 

Uday: well.

Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I, I think that is changing for sure. It's definitely yes. Very 

Jack: interesting. Yeah. And you've got any idea? I thought, any ideas for a song or, I thought hollow bones struck me as a good type. 

Uday: Sounds good. Sounds good. Yeah. Hollow bone sounds great. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great 

Jack: start.

I was making up a few notes here and yeah. Are you going on her next course then? 

Uday: I am, yeah. I'm, I was yeah, I was in touch with the person who handles the bookings. I was in touch with her on online on email today. And I'm already keeping the first week of October aside, reserved. I'm pretty keen.

Jack: Because I wanted to ask, because I've been on a few of these courses myself and I was always the only man. Were you the only man on that on the course or was it Oh, 

Uday: No. It's quite, it was quite a mix actually. A lot of women, in fact funnily enough in India. Oh, you were the only man you said?

Yes. Yeah. It's usually more, it's usually more women than men. That's true. But it was quite a, it was quite an interesting mix at least the last course that I did. It'll be interesting to see whether the psychic and mediumship course whether it attracts more women or if there's gonna be an equal an equal blend of agendas.

Yeah. 

Jack: I think you're in a, I just wanna round up by saying I think you're a great role model for, musicians and cuz you're really a thinking man's musician. And that's really what we want on this show is people who are, working, putting their thought. I know you've always written great lyrics, but now we can see, I think people have got to see the man behind the lyrics in this interview.

And you really are thinking man, songwriter and. I really, 

Uday: Thank you, Jack. I wanna move away from being a thinking man to a feeling man, because that seems to be the 

Jack: yeah. Change the hemispheres. We covered a lot in this interview. That's really great. Yeah, I'm super inspired as well.

Uday: Brilliant. We'll be in touch now. We'll do back and forth as far as the song is concerned, so I'll wait to hear from you. Yeah, 

Jack: we work on this song for about a few months and it magically appears at the end of the interview, but it's gonna be a lot of work for us, but it'll be 

Uday: worth it. Wonderful.

Yeah. Yeah. I have a guitar player and a keyboard player on standby. They're waiting. I told, I've told them the whole thing. I said we're writing composing start to record and then they can throwing their parts. Wow. Brilliant. My partner is in the band, okay, 

Jack: great. 

Uday: Can't wait. Thanks for being so patient, Jack.

Really. And I'm sorry to keep you waiting for so long, man. But there was no worries. There's a shit going on, so you were worth waiting for. Thank you. Thanks so much. 

Jack: Okay, mate. Chat again soon. Take care. 

Uday: Cheer. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.